Discussion:
copyright abuse, plagiarism and other kinds of theft
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Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-06-19 23:07:54 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:045d55db-3c09-4c39-ab9e-***@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...

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You've done both and more, you half-wit douchebag.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-06-27 03:18:09 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:83b4cdd4-9f76-41e6-9c17-***@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...

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If the English sociopath known as Peter J. Ross' claim was that you are a
goddamn clueless dumbass idiot, then no, I doubt he will retract that claim.
In fact he'll probably expand on it.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-06-27 04:24:02 UTC
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You have no clue whatsoever about copyright, have you, Dunce?
You're the one who claimed that reposting your "work" in the same
newsgroup in which you posted it is copyright "theft," Peter Pan.
Not
me.
Or do you wish to retract your claim?> --
Whether he did retract it or not, he has to shut up about it, since
both Cythera and Dale Houstman, to name two, have recently posted
poems from /outside/ Usenet, without the permission of the poets or
a
source link.
PJR (as far as we know, he hasn't done anything with his rights except
as described in the initial post) holds all rights regarding the
copying or reproducing or publishing of his poems.
He was squealing about other people's poems, Karla.
He's the only one
who can speak up about his legal rights. For all we know, he's looking
into it.
You or I don't know whether or not Dale or Cythera obtained permission
And they haven't made any claims that they have, either.
of the poets or copyright holders they quoted. You could squeal <snip>
Actually, that's what PJR threatened to do recently, to squeal on
another poster for reposting a Usenet poem... until Dale and Cythera
began doing the same thing, which is why he shut up about it.
You really don't keep up with anything that happens here, do you,
Karla?
Leaving aside the issues of hypocrisy, duplicity, dissembling,
falsifying, cherry-picking, snipping, forgetfulness, and nihilism -
what, exactly, do you want to happen, Will?
Hello, Stuart... all I want to happen, right now, tonight is to get
over to Auburn to see the Rick Edwards Trio at the Auburn Ale House.
Alabama is an hour behind us here in Georgia, so whenever I leave I'll
get there at about the same time I left.


??? You are so god damn stupid it's amazing you are even multi-celled.




So I'll pretty much put my responses on hold until I return...



All of them hypocritical and moronic, probably.




Do you want Zero Tolerance?
Do you support it? No reposting texts? Not ever. Same for a mashup of
someone else's text. Did I use that word right? Zero Tolerance means
only links. Google - if you asked them - would say they love links. Zero
Tolerance is if you violate your TOS with Google Groups, Google will
excommunicate you. What's that Stevie Someone poem not waiving but not
posting either? (Psst, down below: you left an 's' out of a word.)
Ah, thanks for the heads up... I'll fix that...
--
Dockery, Conley, Madaris & Woolfolk: The Pack Rat Show
http://waydownincolumbusgeorgiablog.ning.com/xn/detail/3004227:Event:...
The songs and poetry of Will Dockery, Henry Conley, Sandy Madaris and
Gene Woolfolk Jr. and interpretations of standards from various music
genres. Our "collective consciousness" = "pack rat".
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-01 18:59:31 UTC
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You make it too easy
How difficult can it be to spit out random words and then try to pass them
off as a poem?
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-21 03:15:57 UTC
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Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
http://youtu.be/9uGY157cpiU
How difficult can it be to spit out random words and then try to pass them
off as a poem?
Thanks for the critique, Orson,
That wasn't a critique, numbnuts.
but, to answer your question, the
difficulty for you may be more or less than that of someone else. In
"She Sleeps Tight", though, there are no random words, each word is
Then your storytelling skills suck.
She Sleeps Tight
= snippage of crappage =
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-08-13 13:37:10 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c4128fd7-1f8e-4785-94a0-***@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

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Must be molting season already.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-08-31 04:15:34 UTC
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"She Sleeps Tight", vocals by Will Dockery & Sandy Madaris, guitars by
Brian Mallard. Paintings by George Sulzbach.
http://youtu.be/9uGY157cpiU
She Sleeps Tight
-Will Dockery (words)
Brian Mallard (music)
©2009 by Dockery-Mallard
I don't remember much of that. I did tell Matt what I'd told you --
that Mallard's guitar sounded like "And Your Bird Can Sing."
That's a pretty cool sound to be in, of course... I have to remember
to let him know about this.
I also told him I thought some of the lyrics came from your
"Portsmouth Thongs" project, to Houstmanize a Rik Roots poem
("Portsmouth Thoughts"), because 'marksman' and 'dice and coins' both
appear in Roots's poem.
Ah... I actually shelved the "Portsmouth Thongs" piece, since I saw
that as a setup for more problems here on the newsgroups--- what was
earlier applauded when done by one poster can suddenly be cursed if
done by another--- an example set most recently by your posting of the
"Workers Dreaming" poem.
Anything you are involved with is "cursed,"
The witch told me the curse was lifted.


You are eternally cursed, Duckery.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-08-31 13:54:51 UTC
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Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"She Sleeps Tight", vocals by Will Dockery & Sandy Madaris, guitars by
Brian Mallard. Paintings by George Sulzbach.
http://youtu.be/9uGY157cpiU
She Sleeps Tight
-Will Dockery (words)
Brian Mallard (music)
©2009 by Dockery-Mallard
I don't remember much of that. I did tell Matt what I'd told you --
that Mallard's guitar sounded like "And Your Bird Can Sing."
That's a pretty cool sound to be in, of course... I have to remember
to let him know about this.
I also told him I thought some of the lyrics came from your
"Portsmouth Thongs" project, to Houstmanize a Rik Roots poem
("Portsmouth Thoughts"), because 'marksman' and 'dice and coins' both
appear in Roots's poem.
Ah... I actually shelved the "Portsmouth Thongs" piece, since I saw
that as a setup for more problems here on the newsgroups--- what was
earlier applauded when done by one poster can suddenly be cursed if
done by another--- an example set most recently by your posting of the
"Workers Dreaming" poem.
Anything you are involved with is "cursed,"
The witch told me the curse was lifted.
You are eternally cursed
You're


...completely correct in calling you an idiot.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-09-01 15:08:02 UTC
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Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"She Sleeps Tight", vocals by Will Dockery & Sandy Madaris,
guitars
by
Brian Mallard. Paintings by George Sulzbach.
http://youtu.be/9uGY157cpiU
She Sleeps Tight
-Will Dockery (words)
Brian Mallard (music)
©2009 by Dockery-Mallard
I don't remember much of that. I did tell Matt what I'd told you --
that Mallard's guitar sounded like "And Your Bird Can Sing."
That's a pretty cool sound to be in, of course... I have to remember
to let him know about this.
I also told him I thought some of the lyrics came from your
"Portsmouth Thongs" project, to Houstmanize a Rik Roots poem
("Portsmouth Thoughts"), because 'marksman' and 'dice and coins' both
appear in Roots's poem.
Ah... I actually shelved the "Portsmouth Thongs" piece, since I saw
that as a setup for more problems here on the newsgroups--- what was
earlier applauded when done by one poster can suddenly be cursed if
done by another--- an example set most recently by your posting of the
"Workers Dreaming" poem.
Anything you are involved with is "cursed,"
The witch told me the curse was lifted.
You're
...completely stupid.
"We know" - Usenet on Will Dockery
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-10-17 16:25:47 UTC
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"Silver Blazing Sun" written by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard, performed
by The Shadowville All-Stars.

Quite a pleasing little ditty
if by 'pleasing' you mean <snip>
The word "pleasing" doesn't really need defining, you know.
Especially since nothing you ever do or have done could be defined as
'pleasing'

Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-01 21:49:54 UTC
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You have no clue whatsoever about copyright, have you, Dunce?
You're the one who claimed that reposting your "work" in the same
newsgroup in which you posted it is copyright "theft," Peter Pan. Not
me.
Or do you wish to retract your claim?> --
Whether he did retract it or not, he has to shut up about it, since
= snip =

since nothing, you bloated sack of gargantuan weasel droppings. I hope you
are decapitated in a car crash and your head shat upon by cows carried from
a passing eighteen-wheeler in the next lane.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-01 21:54:14 UTC
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Do you think it would be useful to remind Dockery daily that he
promised to provide 'some commentary that does /something/
beside say, "I rather liked it..."'?
I did just that last week on Karla's "Trick of Light" poem, so thanks
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh? Interestingly,
my
comment on them is that they really work. You are not dancing under
the
blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic June-moon-spoon of a couple
of
days, I daresay, some of the coolest, pleasant nights in the Deep
South June
since 1985, I kid you not, and I was there, so I know), you are /
writing/
about it, filtering memory, reinventing the memory, making life into
art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem about waltzing with
you"
just works, is great, and that's my comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which you're
not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real as a Hollywood
icon
can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the image lazy, sort of.
Sort of
like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem reminds me of...",
and if
this sort of thing doesn't work for critique, then it sure shouldn't
be
acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much higher form of art
than
comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and famous?
A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be Dennis
Hammes, but
that's stretching... JK might use that, but not here, not now) could
and can
make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a line I tossed,
coincidentally
and interestingly (to me) last week where I felt like Clark Gable...
a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but it
seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so by
critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my commenty is
I
think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem to made
you
feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because it isn't
such
an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone else,
someone
good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old Lou Reed song
"Perfect
Day", but I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in Streetcar,
Japanese
Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and scent of Jasmine, all there... "I
thought

I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but
this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep. Leigh
and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling bustling
moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it from the
Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of poetry. I like
it, and
that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to know it
when I
see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if someone
else had
written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
----
This continued on for a few more posts, which I can also repost if you
remind me.
you're a fucking idiot, Duckery.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-05 20:32:56 UTC
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"Will Dockery" wrote in message
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh? Interestingly,
my
comment on them is that they really work. You are not dancing under
the
blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic June-moon-spoon of a
couple of
days, I daresay, some of the coolest, pleasant nights in the Deep
South June
since 1985, I kid you not, and I was there, so I know), you are
/writing/
about it, filtering memory, reinventing the memory, making life into
art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem about waltzing with
you" just works, is great, and that's my comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which you're
not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real as a
Hollywood icon
can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the image lazy, sort of.
Sort of
like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem reminds me of...",
and if
this sort of thing doesn't work for critique, then it sure shouldn't
be
acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much higher form of art
than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and famous?
A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be Dennis
Hammes, but
that's stretching... JK might use that, but not here, not now) could
and can
make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a line I tossed
coincidentally
and interestingly (to me) last week where I felt like Clark Gable...
a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but it
seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so by
critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem to
made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because it
isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone else,
someone
good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old Lou Reed song
"Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in Streetcar,
Japanese
Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and scent of Jasmine, all there... "I
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep. Leigh
and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling bustling
moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it from the
Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of poetry. I like
it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to know it
when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if someone
else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
----
This continued on for a few more posts, which I can also repost if you
remind me.
you're <slap>
Thanks for the detailed comment on my comments,
You mean the one you snipped where I said, "You're a fucking idiot,
Dockery?"
Okay, you've made your opinion of me clear, Orson...



Nah, I think you're more than just a fucking idiot. I also think you're a
self-absorbed narcisstic piece of shit who would be better off in a coma
than throwing his spittle out onto the barring crowd.



when will you be
posting any poetry or commenting on anything here besides "Will
Dockery"?



When will YOU stop trying to make fun of Rob when YOU look like someone who
was just rescued from a deserted island?
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-09 04:17:50 UTC
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"Will Dockery" wrote in message
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly,
my
comment on them is that they really work. You are not dancing under
the
blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic June-moon-spoon of a
couple of
days, I daresay, some of the coolest, pleasant nights in the Deep
South June
since 1985, I kid you not, and I was there, so I know), you are
/writing/
about it, filtering memory, reinventing the memory, making life into
art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem about waltzing with
you" just works, is great, and that's my comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which you're
not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real as a
Hollywood icon
can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the image lazy, sort of.
Sort of
like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem reminds me of...",
and if
this sort of thing doesn't work for critique, then it sure shouldn't
be
acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much higher form of art
than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and famous?
A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be Dennis
Hammes, but
that's stretching... JK might use that, but not here, not now) could
and can
make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a line I tossed
coincidentally
and interestingly (to me) last week where I felt like Clark Gable...
a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but it
seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so by
critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem to
made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because it
isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone else,
someone
good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old Lou Reed song
"Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in Streetcar,
Japanese
Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and scent of Jasmine, all there... "I
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep. Leigh
and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling bustling
moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it from the
Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of poetry. I like
it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to know it
when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if someone
else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
----
This continued on for a few more posts, which I can also repost if
you remind me.
you're <slap>
Thanks for the detailed comment on my comments,
You mean the one you snipped where I said, "You're a fucking idiot,
Dockery?"
Okay, you've made your opinion of me clear, Orson...
when will you be
posting any poetry or commenting on anything here besides "Will
Dockery"?
Karla Rogers wants to know... heh.
When will YOU stop trying to make fun of Rob "Musmouth" Evans?
Heh... maybe never.
Figures, you self-absorbed sack of shit.

--
Okay, you've made your opinion of me clear, Orson...



Nah, I think you're more than just a fucking idiot. I also think you're a
self-absorbed narcisstic piece of shit who would be better off in a coma
than throwing his spittle out onto the barring crowd.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-15 17:18:00 UTC
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"Will Dockery" wrote in message
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my
comment on them is that they really work. You are not dancing
under the
blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic June-moon-spoon of a
couple of days, I daresay, some of the coolest, pleasant nights
in the Deep
South June since 1985, I kid you not, and I was there, so I
know), you are
/writing/ about it, filtering memory, reinventing the memory,
making life into art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem about waltzing with
you" just works, is great, and that's my comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which
you're not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real as a
Hollywood icon
can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the image lazy, sort of.
Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem
reminds me
of...", and if
this sort of thing doesn't work for critique, then it sure
shouldn't be
acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much higher form of
art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and
famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but
that's stretching... JK might use that, but not here, not now)
could and can
make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a line I tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week where I felt
like Clark
Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but
it seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so by
critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem
to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because it
isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old
Lou Reed song
"Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in Streetcar,
Japanese
Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and scent of Jasmine, all
there...
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep.
Leigh and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling
bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it from
the Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of poetry. I
like it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to
know
it
when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if
someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
----
This continued on for a few more posts, which I can also repost
if you remind me.
you're <slap>
Thanks for the detailed comment on my comments,
You mean the one you snipped where I said, "You're a fucking idiot,
Dockery?"
Okay, you've made your opinion of me clear, Orson...
when will you be
posting any poetry or commenting on anything here besides "Will
Dockery"?
Karla Rogers wants to know... heh.
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
When will YOU stop trying to make fun of Rob "Musmouth" Evans?
Heh... maybe never.
Figures
Why should I?
Because YOU are trying to make fun of someone ELSE'S appearance while YOU
look like you lost a bar fight with a grizzly bear?
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-17 03:04:24 UTC
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"Will Dockery" wrote in message
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my
comment on them is that they really work. You are not
dancing under the
blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic June-moon-spoon of a
couple of days, I daresay, some of the coolest, pleasant nights
in the Deep South June since 1985, I kid you not, and I was
there, so I
know), you are /writing/ about it, filtering memory,
reinventing the memory,
making life into art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem about
waltzing with you" just works, is great, and that's my
comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which
you're not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real as a
Hollywood icon
can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the image lazy,
sort of.
Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem
reminds me of...", and if
this sort of thing doesn't work for critique, then it sure
shouldn't be
acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much higher form of
art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich
and famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but
that's stretching... JK might use that, but not here, not
now) could and can
make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a line I tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week where I
felt like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that,
but it seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so
by critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my
commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem
to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"...
because
it isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To
me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone
else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words
in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in Streetcar,
Japanese Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and scent of Jasmine,
all
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep.
Leigh and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling
bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it
from the Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of poetry.
I like it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to
know it when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if
someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
----
This continued on for a few more posts, which I can also repost
if you remind me.
you're <slap>
Thanks for the detailed comment on my comments,
You mean the one you snipped where I said, "You're a fucking idiot,
Dockery?"
Okay, you've made your opinion of me clear, Orson...
when will you be
posting any poetry or commenting on anything here besides "Will
Dockery"?
Karla Rogers wants to know... heh.
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
When will YOU stop trying to make fun of Rob "Musmouth" Evans?
Heh... maybe never.
Figures
Why should I?
Because YOU are trying to make fun of someone ELSE'S appearance while YOU
look like you lost a bar fight with a grizzly bear?
I've seen your photograph, Dink...
And I care because...? Duckery, unlike you, I have no need to worry about
what others think of me, especially when it comes to a lying, sociopathic,
narcisstic, egomaniacal, megalomaniacal, unwashed, disgusting, dirty,
fucked-up piece of bar filth like you. Your opinion means as much to me as
garbage, because that's all it can be equalled for when examined closely.
and you've posted this to the
appropriate newsgroups where someone might kindly post one again for
our enlightenment.
Duckery encouraging RL harrassment? Oh how shocking.
And that makes this even funnier, considering how
you look.
I look just fine, Duckery, and again, I really don't give a shit what you
think, and find it amusing as all hell that someone who looks like what you
look like could ever in a million billion gazillion years think you have a
right or ability to pick on or make fun of someone else's appearance.
Here's a photograph of me, if anyone out there is unfamiliar
with what I look like,
Picture falling into a dumpster from a five-story window then laying there
for four days and being shit on by rats, then finally being dumped into the
street and pissed on by hobos and stray dogs, only to have someone mistake
you for dead and attempt to embalm you alive, and, well, you've got Will "Do
the Duck" Dockery.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-17 21:25:09 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" wrote in message
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my
comment on them is that they really work. You are not
dancing under the
blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic
June-moon-spoon of a
couple of days, I daresay, some of the coolest, pleasant
nights
in the Deep South June since 1985, I kid you not, and I
was there, so I
know), you are /writing/ about it, filtering memory,
reinventing the memory, making life into art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem about
waltzing with you" just works, is great, and that's my
comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me,
which you're not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real
as a Hollywood icon
can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the image lazy,
sort of.
Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem
reminds me of...", and if
this sort of thing doesn't work for critique, then it
sure shouldn't be
acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much higher
form
of art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich
and famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but
that's stretching... JK might use that, but not here, not
now) could and can
make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a line I
tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week where
I felt like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that,
but it seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged
so by critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my
commenty is
the
poem to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"...
because
it isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To
me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was
someone else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the
old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put
words in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in A
Streetcar Named Desire,
Japanese Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and scent of
Jasmine,
all there... "I thought I was someone else, someone
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in
poetry commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl
Streep. Leigh and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling
bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it
from the Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of
poetry. I like it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough
to know it when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say
if someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
----
This continued on for a few more posts, which I can also
repost if you remind me.
you're <slap>
Thanks for the detailed comment on my comments,
when will you be posting any poetry or commenting on anything
here besides "Will Dockery"?
Karla Rogers wants to know... heh.
When will YOU stop trying to make fun of Rob "Musmouth" Evans?
Heh... maybe never.
Figures
Why should I?
Because YOU are trying to make fun of someone ELSE'S appearance
Mushmouth dished it out, and unsurprisingly couldn't take it.
That PKB is so big that it slowed down the Internet.
I've seen your photograph, Dink...
and you've posted this to the
appropriate newsgroups where someone might kindly post one again for
our enlightenment.
Dockery encouraging RL harrassment?
Pretty funny coming from the guy who regularly has fantasies of "going
RL".
PPOR, numbskull.
--
http://www.wqik.com/new2/artists/i/237770?psid=303942
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-18 04:45:58 UTC
Permalink
"Will Dockery" wrote in message
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my
comment on them is that they really work. You are not
dancing under the
blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic
June-moon-spoon of a
couple of days, I daresay, some of the coolest,
pleasant
nights
in the Deep South June since 1985, I kid you not, and
I
was there, so I
know), you are /writing/ about it, filtering memory,
reinventing the memory, making life into art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem
about
waltzing with you" just works, is great, and that's my
comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me,
which you're not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as
real
as a Hollywood icon
can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the image
lazy,
sort of.
Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of "Your
poem
reminds me of...", and if
this sort of thing doesn't work for critique, then it
sure shouldn't be
acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much higher
form
of art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool?
Rich
and famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could
be
Dennis Hammes, but
that's stretching... JK might use that, but not here,
not
now) could and can
make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a line I
tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week
where
I felt like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like
that,
but it seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be
judged
so by critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And
my
commenty is
the
poem to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"...
because
it isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing.
To
me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was
someone else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from
the
old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put
words in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in A
Streetcar Named Desire,
Japanese Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and scent of
Jasmine,
all there... "I thought I was someone else, someone
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in
poetry commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl
Streep. Leigh and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a
"hustling
bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing
it
from the Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of
poetry. I like it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it
enough
to know it when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would
say
if someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
----
This continued on for a few more posts, which I can
also
repost if you remind me.
you're <slap>
Thanks for the detailed comment on my comments,
when will you be posting any poetry or commenting on anything
here besides "Will Dockery"?
Karla Rogers wants to know... heh.
When will YOU stop trying to make fun of Rob "Musmouth" Evans?
Heh... maybe never.
Figures
Why should I?
Because YOU are trying to make fun of someone ELSE'S appearance
Mushmouth dished it out, and unsurprisingly couldn't take it.
That PKB is so big <slap>
You have a lot of fantasies about *big things*, don't you, Orson?
You enjoy snipping posts when they make you look stupid, don't you Duckery?

---
Mushmouth dished it out, and unsurprisingly couldn't take it.
That PKB is so big that it slowed down the Internet.
I've seen your photograph, Dink...
and you've posted this to the
appropriate newsgroups where someone might kindly post one again for
our enlightenment.
Dockery encouraging RL harrassment?
Pretty funny coming from the guy who regularly has fantasies of "going
RL".
PPOR, numbskull.

---
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-18 21:36:52 UTC
Permalink
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my comment on them is that they really work. You are
not
dancing under the blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic
June-moon-spoon of a couple of days, I daresay, some of the
coolest,
pleasant nights in the Deep South June since 1985, I kid you not,
and I
was there, so I know), you are /writing/ about it, filtering
memory,
reinventing the memory, making life into art, or trying to. That's
why the line "I wrote this poem
about waltzing with you" just works, is great, and that's my
comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which you're
not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real
as a Hollywood icon can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes the
image lazy,
sort of. Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem
reminds me of...", and if this sort of thing doesn't work for
critique, then it
sure shouldn't be acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much
higher
form of art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and
famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but that's stretching... JK might use that, but not
here, not
now) could and can make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a
line I tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week where I felt
like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but it
seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so by
critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem to
made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because
it isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words in your
mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in A
Streetcar Named Desire, Japanese Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and
scent of
Jasmine, all there... "I thought I was someone else, someone
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in
poetry commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep. Leigh
and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling bustling
moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it from the
Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of poetry. I like
it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to know it
when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if someone
else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
I've seen your photograph, Dink...
and you've posted this to the
appropriate newsgroups where someone might kindly post one again for
our enlightenment.
Dockery encouraging RL harrassment?
Pretty funny coming from the guy who regularly has fantasies of "going
RL".
PPOR
I have no idea what that means,
Of course you don't, since posting proof is way beyond your capability.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-21 03:20:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my comment on them is that they really work. You
are not
dancing under the blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic
June-moon-spoon of a couple of days, I daresay, some of the
coolest,
pleasant nights in the Deep South June since 1985, I kid you
not, and I
was there, so I know), you are /writing/ about it, filtering
memory,
reinventing the memory, making life into art, or trying to.
That's why the line "I wrote this poem
about waltzing with you" just works, is great, and that's my
comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which
you're not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real
as a Hollywood icon can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes
the image lazy,
sort of. Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem
reminds me of...", and if this sort of thing doesn't work for
critique, then it
sure shouldn't be acceptable in a poem, which is of course a much
higher form of art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and
famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but that's stretching... JK might use that, but
not here, not
now) could and can make someone feel that way. I'm reminded of a
line I tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week where I felt
like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but it
seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so by
critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem
to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because it
isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words in
your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in A
Streetcar Named Desire, Japanese Lanterns (smashed by Stanley) and
scent of Jasmine, all there... "I thought I was someone else,
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep.
Leigh and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling
bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it from
the Fortress
of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome act of poetry. I
like it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to know
it when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if
someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
I've seen your photograph, Dink...
and you've posted this to the
appropriate newsgroups where someone might kindly post one again for
our enlightenment.
Dockery encouraging RL harrassment?
Pretty funny coming from the guy who regularly has fantasies of "going
RL".
PPOR
I have no idea what that means,
Of course you don't, since posting proof is way beyond your capability.
Proof such as your fantasy of shoving the gun in Pasko's mouth, for
example?
Duckery only you would try to change the subject and do so by pathetically
bringing up something that never happened more than THREE FUCKING YEARS AGO.

But such is the way of the Duck, I suppose; finds one pond and stays there
even through the frozen winters.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-24 04:07:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my comment on them is that they really work.
You are not
dancing under the blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic
June-moon-spoon of a couple of days, I daresay, some of the
coolest,
pleasant nights in the Deep South June since 1985, I kid you
not, and I
was there, so I know), you are /writing/ about it, filtering
memory,
reinventing the memory, making life into art, or trying to.
That's why the line "I wrote this poem
about waltzing with you" just works, is great, and that's my
comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which
you're not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real
as a Hollywood icon can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes
the image lazy,
sort of. Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of "Your poem
reminds me of...", and if this sort of thing doesn't work for
critique, then it
sure shouldn't be acceptable in a poem, which is of course a
much higher form of art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and
famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but that's stretching... JK might use that,
but not here, not
now) could and can make someone feel that way. I'm reminded
of a line I tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week where I
felt like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but
it seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so
by critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my
commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the poem
to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because it
isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words
in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in A
Streetcar Named Desire, Japanese Lanterns (smashed by
Stanley) and
scent of Jasmine, all there... "I thought I was someone
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl Streep.
Leigh and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling
bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it from
the Fortress of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome
act of poetry. I like it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to
know it when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if
someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
Dockery encouraging RL harrassment?
Pretty funny coming from the guy who regularly has fantasies of
"going RL".
Of course you don't, since posting proof is way beyond your capability.
Proof such as your fantasy of shoving the gun in Pasko's mouth, for
example?
Dockery only you would try to change the subject
The subject was your violent fantasies about going RL,
No, it wasn't, but nice try to avoid the fact that you're a fucking idiot.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-26 01:55:23 UTC
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"Will Dockery" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5df3af00-7585-411c-b786-***@j32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 24, 12:07 am, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my comment on them is that they really work.
You are not
dancing under the blazing moon (and we've sure had a classic
June-moon-spoon of a couple of days, I daresay, some of the
coolest,
pleasant nights in the Deep South June since 1985, I kid you
not, and I
was there, so I know), you are /writing/ about it, filtering
memory,
reinventing the memory, making life into art, or trying to.
That's why the line "I wrote this poem
about waltzing with you" just works, is great, and that's my
comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were me, which
you're not, of
course, but bringing in a real (or almost real, as real
as a Hollywood icon can be, anyway), cheapens the line, makes
the image lazy,
sort of. Sort of like the critiques of my critiques of
"Your
poem
reminds me of...", and if this sort of thing doesn't work for
critique, then it
sure shouldn't be acceptable in a poem, which is of course a
much higher form of art than comments /about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool? Rich and
famous? A good
lover, or dancer (perhaps the dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but that's stretching... JK might use that,
but not here, not
now) could and can make someone feel that way. I'm reminded
of a line I tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week where I
felt like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like that, but
it seemed lazy
(or I could second-guess that it could or would be judged so
by critics) or
at best a cheap and easy reference, so it is gone. And my
commenty is
I think you ought to work on how this person you wrote the
poem
to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"... because
it
isn't such an obvious thing, feels like... nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was someone
else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from the old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put words
in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in A
Streetcar Named Desire, Japanese Lanterns (smashed by
Stanley) and
scent of Jasmine, all there... "I thought I was someone
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in poetry
commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl
Streep.
Leigh and
Brando, now /that/ is an image, dancing under a "hustling
bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it, observing it
from
the Fortress of Solitude, gone again, back to the lonesome
act of poetry. I like it, and that's my comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it enough to
know it when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would say if
someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
Dockery encouraging RL harrassment?
Pretty funny coming from the guy who regularly has fantasies of
"going RL".
Of course you don't, since posting proof is way beyond your capability.
Proof such as your fantasy of shoving the gun in Pasko's mouth, for
example?
Dockery only you would try to change the subject
The subject was your violent fantasies about going RL,
No, it wasn't
Right,



Are you actually admitting to changing the subject? That would be a first.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-08-04 03:11:02 UTC
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Post by Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Trick of Light
Tonight, under the bursting moon
I wrote this poem about waltzing with you
Okay, I have a bit more time now... just a bit.
Okay, everyone else says change these two lines, eh?
Interestingly, my comment on them is that they really
work.
You are not dancing under the blazing moon (and we've
sure had a classic
June-moon-spoon of a couple of days, I daresay, some
of
the coolest, pleasant nights in the Deep South June
since 1985, I kid
you not, and I was there, so I know), you are
/writing/ about it,
filtering memory, reinventing the memory, making life
into art, or
trying to. That's why the line "I wrote this poem
about waltzing with you" just works, is great, and
that's my comment on that.
how I felt like Meryl Streep in your arms
Now this part is the one I would change if it were
me,
which you're not, of course, but bringing in a real
(or almost real, as real
as a Hollywood icon can be, anyway), cheapens the
line, makes the image lazy,
sort of. Sort of like the critiques of my critiques
of
"Your poem reminds me of...", and if this sort of
thing doesn't
work for critique, then it sure shouldn't be
acceptable in a poem, which is of
course a much higher form of art than comments
/about/ poems.
"You made me feel..." beautiful? Sexy? Strong? Cool?
Rich and famous? A good lover, or dancer (perhaps the
dancer in the poem could be
Dennis Hammes, but that's stretching... JK might use
that, but not here, not
now) could and can make someone feel that way. I'm
reminded of a line I tossed
coincidentally and interestingly (to me) last week
where I felt like Clark Gable... a
stunning night in the Deep South can do things like
that, but
it seemed lazy (or I could second-guess that it could
or would be judged
so by critics) or at best a cheap and easy reference,
so it is gone. And my
commenty is I think you ought to work on how this
person
you wrote the poem to made you feel while dancing.
Define what it is like to "feel like Meryl Streep"...
because it isn't such an obvious thing, feels like...
nothing. To me.
"You made me forget myself, you made me think I was
someone else,
someone good.", is what the line reminds me of, from
the old
Lou Reed song "Perfect Day", but I'm not trying to put
words in your mouth.
surrounded by japanese lanterns
the scent of jasmine rising around us from
little yellow-white heads crushed under our heels
This isn't Meryl Streep to me, but Vivien Leigh in A
Streetcar Named Desire, Japanese Lanterns (smashed
by
Stanley) and scent of Jasmine, all there... "I
http://youtu.be/BsVxmk9pq2Y
I know that "this reminds me of" isn't acceptable in
poetry commentary, but this is just too obvious.
And in my opinion better than a tired image of Meryl
Streep. Leigh and Brando, now /that/ is an image,
dancing under a "hustling bustling moon".
and in the heat of writing it
I hear your voice again, liking me
or a Meryl me
Yes, and back at the crib, writing about it,
observing
it from the Fortress of Solitude, gone again, back to
the lonesome act of poetry. I like it, and that's my
comment.
because just like the songs
moonlight does that
and I'm remembering
champagne glittering
how we danced till the music stopped
These kind of seem like padding, and I've done it
enough to know it when I see it... heh.
Tighten it, make better images, I know someone would
say if
someone else had written this.
the violins packed away, napkins folded
and I was Meryl Streep under a bursting moon
Blah, boring.
a trick of light
your love.
Nice ending.
Dockery encouraging RL harrassment?
Pretty funny coming from the guy who regularly has fantasies of
"going RL".
Of course you don't, since posting proof is way beyond your capability.
Proof such as your fantasy of shoving the gun in Pasko's mouth, for
example?
Dockery only you would try to change the subject
The subject, before you began this futile back-and-forth with me, was
...nothing to do with you, and yet somehow now it does. How did that happen,
I wonder?
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
2009-07-01 22:34:42 UTC
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Some of his attempts to divert attention from his own thefts
Things stolen /from/ me,
who the fuck would want stained boxer shorts and a June 2001 copy of Hustler
magazine?
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